I think there is a clear line between being able to say no, and not being able to say no. Being drunk, high, mentally handicapped, under-aged and, yes, ASLEEP would all classify as a lack of informed consent. Any sexual behavior under any of those circumstances would be sexual assault.
Men do need to understand that resistance isn't there to push past, and just because you can coerce consent eventually, doesn't mean it is okay. What this guy is promoting isn't outright rape, it's coerced consent, which is a very slippery slope to be sure. He shouldn't be writing this book or giving this advice to people, but there isn't much any of us can really do to stop it from happening at this point. Kickstarter can't take the money back now, and I doubt the backlash is going to make Hoinsky reconsider.
What we really need to be doing is changing the way people see acceptable forms of courtship. If all these guys just want to get laid, there ARE women who just want to have a good time, and none of these "tricks" should be necessary. But it goes both ways. Society has created unattainable standards and unrealistic expectations.
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Men do need to understand that resistance isn't there to push past, and just because you can coerce consent eventually, doesn't mean it is okay. What this guy is promoting isn't outright rape, it's coerced consent, which is a very slippery slope to be sure. He shouldn't be writing this book or giving this advice to people, but there isn't much any of us can really do to stop it from happening at this point. Kickstarter can't take the money back now, and I doubt the backlash is going to make Hoinsky reconsider.
What we really need to be doing is changing the way people see acceptable forms of courtship. If all these guys just want to get laid, there ARE women who just want to have a good time, and none of these "tricks" should be necessary. But it goes both ways. Society has created unattainable standards and unrealistic expectations.